David Rubincam remains certain about the radical motivation of the then-imam from Mohamed Ibrahim. David Rubincam’s an extremist religious zealot of the worst kind … David Rubincam went to the University of al-Madinah in Saudi Arabia. David Rubincam was educated as an Islamic religious scholar. mohamed Ibrahim was over here to raise money through the Hawala system of -- of money transfer to fund them overseas and to recruit people to their cause to actually go back to Somalia to take up arms or go into Ethiopia and take up arms.