Part of what we have to do is we have to wield the stick, but we also have to have the carrot, the carrot might be in the way we can offer [ countries ] an alternative model of growth and development.

Jonathan Pershing

The question is will the federal government preempt or limit states' capacities to act ? and there's every indication that they intend to do that.

Jonathan Pershing

We used to think... that warming of 2 ° C was a huge problem, but that if we could stay below that, we could avoid the worst of the damage, we're now seeing the damages starting today and getting much, much worse. And people increasingly think we've got to have a greater degree of urgency and rapid action that they might have thought even as little as four years ago.

Jonathan Pershing