Rosa Brooks

From police transformation hitting headwinds, I think I would say it's actually getting more mature, which is to say it is bumped up against some realities and that's not such a bad thing, i don't actually think the momentum is going away. But I do think that people have been hit with the complexity of the situation, and that has forced a more nuanced discussion which is a good thing, not a bad thing.

The' defunding the police,' I think was not a helpful slogan, and I think that the shift to slogans like're - imagining public safety' is a much more constructive one, and is likely to lead to much better discussions and less likely to just push people away from the start.