Douglas Sutherland

On the other side, it seems like theres a few fractures and splinters, that animosity towards returning New Zealanders who might have had the coronavirus is part of a fight, flight or freeze response, and the fight response really activates that anger part of it.

Douglas Sutherland

Early on, we predicted there would be much higher levels of anxiety, but people really pulled together as this team of five million.

Douglas Sutherland